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Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

PCV Training — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:25:21 -0000

When you doing black hat SEO for your site you obviously break the rules and regulations of search engines. So it directly become the unethical for you.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Truck Driver Training — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:39:53 -0000

Search engine algorithm recognize your black hat SEO activities and declare the as unethical.

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Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

SEO Packages — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:34:23 -0000

There is a obvious answer to this that Black hat itself is unethical which is not exceptable by the search engines, so using such techniques may led your site to get banned.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

seoxpertsuk — Fri, 30 Sep 2011 02:31:51 -0000

Google shows / tells its rules on its own site, your site is out of the profits. Taking into account the site wants to profit from Google and your site will do well in Google search results.

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Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Andrew Heenan — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:02:12 -0000

"whitehatters that cant make money make up that stuff abotu ethics ;)"

Twit!

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Andrew Heenan — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:59:47 -0000

Just came across this by accident. Sad stuff.

The whole point of black hat SEO is to get a a better position in the serps, isn't it? Then at least one other site is being pushed down in the serps, to make room for your rise.

As you rose by 'technique', rather than the quality and value of your site, you effectively stole their positions. Now, that doesn't rank with murder, or even mugging. But it's still immoral (assuming you have any morals to start with!).

You do what you like (and you will!), but you are not cheating Google - you are cheating the better site whose place you stole. If that isn't unethical, then what's ethics all about?

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

blackhatseo — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:43:23 -0000

whitehatters that cant make money make up that stuff abotu ethics ;)

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Internet Marketing Joy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:33:14 -0000

I agree..SEO doesn't necessary mean that it is unethical right away..if it's just there to alter the algorithm of SEs..but if starts to bug other people through continuous spamming then that's unethical.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

JosephLawrenson — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:13:55 -0000

What a great point of view. Its nice to see that someone is out there that see's Google for what they are, unlike doug Hitler Heil. He is so far up Matt Cutts's backside that he can't see anymore. What's more he was trying to build reputation off your blog to his own site which is also SPAMMY doug even if the link wasn't there.Ethical not! and look at his website who is he to be in here. Anyway enough about thicko great article.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Chewie — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:54:50 -0000

Hi Dean:

can you point me in the direction of the post you put on Google? I will be more than happy to take a quick look at what could be wrong. You don't seem to have a lot of back links into your site (35) so its not uncommon to see sites drop a little in a competitive market without regular links.

Give me more info and I will tell you what i can.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

dean — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:37:00 -0000

this site is my first big site, in a competitive keyword market that is dominated by multi million dollar wall street firms.

our site has been dropped by google, so i put a post on google, and got accused of blackhat seo. i have no idea what that means, and googled it, and found your blog.

is this a serious offense that i or my design team has committed that i am unaware of, and if so would anyone be able to point me to what we have actually done thats wrong, etc...

thanks!!

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Doug Heil — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:40:22 -0000

BTW:

You wrote:
"They profit off me without asking me for my rules."

They don't have to ask you as you already state through your robots.txt that it's OK for Google to profit off your site.

You don't have to ask Google for their rules either. Google shows/tells you their rules on their own website, of which YOUR site wants to profit off of. Considering your site wants to profit off of Google, and your site wants to do well in the Google search results, then you either must abide by Google's rules and be called ethical, or you don't abide by their rules, and be called unethical.

Your site and your competitor's site do not have a formal agreement either. If your competitor is abiding by the rules and you are not, you are unethical. You can't make up your own business ethics as you go. It doesn't work that way.

When you play a game of cards with friends, you all don't have a formal agreement to not cheat either. It's an implied agreement that you will NOT cheat at cards. If you do cheat in order to gain some kind of advantage, ...hmmm,.. that's called cheating, and that's unethical.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Doug Heil — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:20:36 -0000

LOL Huh?

As always slightly; you can spin with the best of them.

You have an implied agreement with Google since you want to be in their index on THEIR website. You must abide by their rules. Google isn't trying to get into YOUR website without your permission. You give them permission by not disallowing them. If you actually had the rule for Google to NOT profit off your website, it's in your own power to do that.

The old arguement that Google profits off of you is just that........real damn old. Give it up already.

You want in Google's index; You abide by their damn rules. Period. You don't want to abide by their rules? Fine then; you are a damn cheater who is cheating a competitor who does not cheat, and also cheating Google. That's what a normal human being would call:

.....Unethical.

Period.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

SlightlyShadySEO — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:51:02 -0000

As always Doug, "cheating" implies there was an agreement. I have no agreement with Google.
They profit off me without asking me for my rules.
I profit off them without asking for there's.

That's the end of it.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Doug Heil — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:19:40 -0000

I think the SEO industry has lost their collective little minds.

In my opinion of course. Most seem to think that blackhat SEO is not unethical. That's crap. Of course your search engine spam "could" be relevant, and of course it might even be what a search user is looking for, but what about the site who is abiding the stated rules of a search engine but is at #11 for the same term that blackhat spammy site is at #10? Is it ethical in your minds that you successfully are cheating the system for that #10 when a site NOT cheating the system is #11?

sheesh; this stuff is crappy. Period.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

AK Works — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:55:53 -0000

I frankly have no problem with blackhat SEO tactics as listed in the "ethical" section. Even though some are prohibited by Google (according to Google). They mostly seem "grey" to me. The other list deserves righteous retribution. In a perfect world, I would be able to dish out retribution kinda like the way the gangs do it in Mexico. But that's wrong so...

But I always hated the "black hat vs white hat" debate. It always sounded to me like a bunch of BS. If it hurts clients, then it's bad - but not a "black vs white" but more of a customer service issue. I mean, no one is called Dell Computers a "black hat computer maker" and their customer service sucks. Just a marketing ploy is what it is...

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

RedEvo — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:08:19 -0000

Surely anything that ultimately wastes peoples time is unethical. If you link spam deserted sites and these push your rubbish site up the serps it wastes people's time. If you auto-generate content it will show up in the serps and someone will waste their time looking at it.

Anything that makes the serps less meritocratic is surely unethical?

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Chewie — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:12:13 -0000

Gab/Tom: Re stealing content... Yeah it's most certainly amateur SEO's nicking your stuff and then trying to throw out a few articles to gain links into their sites. You do get a few scrapers and such that come by to steal your content now and again but most BH's generate the content automatically.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Gab Goldenberg — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:44:42 -0000

@Rob - My pleasure, that's a badass tool you've got.
@Tom - That's one that falls on the unethical side. But then, I doubt if BHs are doing this rather than generating stuff fully. Just seems like unethical whitehats stealing your content.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Gab Goldenberg — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:15 -0000

@Charles - OK, let me rephrase that - to tamper with algorithms or falsify them for personal gain is not unethical. That's like saying tweaking your own code is unethical - obviously not the case.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Charles Crawford — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:47:38 -0000

"As a general rule, blackhat SEO is NOT in and of itself unethical. Sure it tries to manipulate search engine algorithms, but that doesn’t violate any fundamental guidelines of human behaviour."

ma·nip·u·late

To tamper with or falsify for personal gain.

Dictionary.com - "manipulate"

Non sequitur? I think so.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Tom — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:18:53 -0000

Stealing content is something that really bothers me, particularly with article submission when people take the content and don't keep the link in there.

I've also noticed that people will steal your content and do a really rubbish re-write of it, changing literally two or three words in each paragraph.

If you're going to be a content pirate, at least get creative people.

Whilst I agree that tricking algorithms is clever, as it involves manipulating an equation, I still don't know whether I'd refer to it as 'ethical'.

Interesting post.

Re: Does blackhat automatically mean unethical?

Madlib SEO Sites — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:46:41 -0000

Thanks for throwing a link to Datapresser! That's much appreciated.

If you ever have any questions about DP, well, now you have my email! Don't hesitate to get in touch.

Thanks!
Rob